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Phoenix Ex · Nov 07, 2006, 06:22 PM // 18:22

What they should do is just make the cheapest max armor in NF (the 1k armor), and anything below that, into 1.5k armor with inherent bonus like the factions/prophecies armor so that people ain't forced to go to factions/prophecies to buy them.

Leave everything else the way they are, insignia is perfect since they actually make getting an armor drop exciting now (omg, armor! I might get a radiant insignia, and not pfft another useless minor rune for merchant). They also make the 5-15k armor in NF more like the FoW armor of prophecies, and this game does need more long term goals....

ak347 · Nov 07, 2006, 06:39 PM // 18:39

Yea, insignias drop on blue, purple, and gold armors = delicious
You shouldn't even compare insignia swapping to pvp, because that's what pvp character creation is for, unless you're so vain that you want to show off your FOW armor in RA.
A full set of max armor at the sun docks now doesn't cost over 7k including materials, a price that is easily attainable if you flesh out the quests and mission on Istan. Simply playing the game by questing has netted me well over 30 insignias, mostly from blue and purple drops. Just play the game, and you'll be able to outfit all your heroes easily. There are so many mobs that drop armors that its nearly impossible not to get at least a dozen insignias for just playing the game.

On the side, I agree that prices will go down, but not for another few months. And radiant armor is a luxury => just picking one half of a circular argument.

crimsonfilms · Nov 07, 2006, 06:42 PM // 18:42

All these complaints will die down once the price goes down. I think most are blaming the insignia mechanism instead of the real culprit - high prices due to large amount of new characters and the introduction of heroes.

I mean the first 3 days, Paragon, Dervish and Monk runes where almost none-existent.
Paragon and Dervish - that is easy. But why monk runes? Because people are spec'ing out their monk Heroe.

Wait it out a week or so. It will go down. And mass hardcore NF farming has not even started. Once people start farming and the spec'ing of new chars and heroes subside, supply will catch up with demand.

When that happens, many will see the light of day. The ability to separate stats from aesthetics is just awesome.

Sid Soggybottom · Nov 07, 2006, 06:44 PM // 18:44

I still dont get why you people are complaining about the new system. It's really flexible. And if you're using the argument that it will cost more because you switch stats often....well duh....just go buy a different set for switching constantly. Just because something has an exception to the rule doesnt mean it's a bad system.

Also, as AK347 mentioned, these insignias are dropping fairly often since they drop even on blue armors. I've already gotten a dozen +health insignias and enough radiant ones for a full set.

Give it time before you start complaining, soon insignias will be as cheap as candy. You're all complaining before stopping to think and analyzing the situation and thinking why this is occuring.

MegaMouse · Nov 07, 2006, 06:53 PM // 18:53

This is nuts. are you guys even going out and playing the game. I keep getting drops of all sorts, even the so called rare insignias. Over this last weekend (dye drop weekend) i got nothing but gold and purple items, not one dye dropped for me (but I rarely get dye anyways). Its pretty much supply and demand as far as prices goes.

/NOT SIGNED

Mega Mouse

Hyper Cutter · Nov 07, 2006, 10:23 PM // 22:23

I don't know about anyone else, but I can count the number of rune drops I've gotten in Elona on one hand...

Sanji · Nov 07, 2006, 11:19 PM // 23:19

I like insignias and the flexibility it affords people even if I don't like that the initial cost and hassle is likewise increased.

However, I cringe to think it'll be the new not optional standard for armor for non-core/faction professions.

Sable Phoenix · Nov 08, 2006, 01:38 AM // 01:38

Look, can we stop with all the "wait a month for them to come down" and all the comparisons to real economies and all that totally irrelevant stuff? Especially that "instant gratification" crap which is nothing but a totally spurious straw man. I don't care if the Insignia eventually drop to 10 gold apiece. None of that has anything to do with the point of my OP, so the next time you want to say something like that, just don't.

The point is that Insignia as implemented punish certain types of players and certain professions unfairly when compared to previous chapters. The point is that there is not parity between all chapters' armors, the most basic and most important item of equipment a character uses. If the price were to drop below 500 gold each, then we'd have unfairness in the other direction, giving an advantage to Nightfall players that is unavailable with other chapters' armors. I don't want either scenario. The costs for armors, excluding materials of course, should be exactly the same regardless of attribute and regardless of where they are crafted.

Phoenix Ex · Nov 08, 2006, 01:55 AM // 01:55

Just make the Prophecies / Factions armor use the same insignia system...

kazjun · Nov 08, 2006, 02:00 AM // 02:00

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I like the insignia system. Though I wish it was backward compatible so you could stick it on my kurzick armour.

For old players, you don't have to buy the insigia's. You want +energy armour cheap? Go to Kaineng, easy. Takes like 2 minutes once you're at LA. Or just buy it. You only need to buy it once after all. If you've actually been playing you should have the cash to spare. Unless you're pvp only, in which case you get them free anyway. If you find yourself swapping +energy for armour, then just buy a second set of armour. They're cheap as, now 1k. It's what we've always had to do afterall. I got like 3 sets of armour on each character. Hmm, can I request Anet to bring in armour storage please.

As for new players, I don't think they care. I mean when I started, I had to scrimp and save to get a full set of armour once I left pre sear. I was wearing the ugliest mis-mash of stuff and some of the low hit rate pieces like hands and feet were from pre sear collectors. And I was fine with it. When I had enough cash, I mapped back to the crafter and bought it piece by piece. And I was happy to get it. The problem is you. You look at it and say, woe is me. To craft a set of max armour is 5k plus materials and then to get that full set of radient insignia's will be another 15k. Well, you don't need to. You can craft the armour piece by piece and get the insignia's and runes one at a time when you get the cash. You could even find one and then salvage and stick it on your armour and it's made your day. I know it did when I first found a minor vigor and stuck it on my LA crafted armour. Makes your armour worth something personal. I mean, when I got my first suit of plate, I loved it. Still got it as a matter of fact. Probably keep it forever. My later characters, I just bought the full set and stuck runes in it and forgot about it. No connection at all. No growth or personal attachment or joy that I got it. It was just meh. But now, once you got a max set, you can see it grow as you get runes and insignia's to stick on it. I know that if I was a new player I'd enjoy that.

And as for demand, I'm not sure how the prices may or may not drop, but I do know that demand will drop. At least it has for me. I already had full armour and now that I've bought up full insignia's and runes (yes, including the radient and survivor? The +HP one for Koss) for my heroes, I won't be buying any more till Razah comes in. So my demand has dropped from full to nil. There are probably plenty who are the same.

And really, except for the radient, are any of the others really expensive? Plenty go for like less than 400g each, so with 1k armours it's even cheaper than before.

Lyonette · Nov 08, 2006, 02:20 AM // 02:20

I agree with the OP. This insignia nonsence is madness. Do something about it ANET! >_<

Two April Mornings · Nov 08, 2006, 02:52 AM // 02:52

They will go down eventually, no need for fixed pricing.

Sable Phoenix · Nov 08, 2006, 06:08 AM // 06:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Two April Mornings

They will go down eventually, no need for fixed pricing.

Good lord.

Please, tell me... how did you not see this?

LumpOfCole · Nov 08, 2006, 06:09 AM // 06:09

On one hand, look how great of an indication it is on how popular the energy insignia is compared to the rest.

arcanemacabre · Nov 08, 2006, 06:36 AM // 06:36

Simple solution (kinda): make all armors in the game, Tyria and Cantha included, have the ability to be outfitted with insignias. Then have Elona adopt the Cantha way of selling armors, where you can buy "plain vanilla"/no insignia armor for cheap, or armor with built-in insignias/mods for a higher price.

This will accomplish two important things with regards to prices. 1) armors will be dropping anywhere in GW with potential insignias, instead of just Elona, thus increasing the amount of insignias into the market; and 2) people can choose to buy their armors with insignias already 'installed', and not have to shell out money for a set of their favorite mods, but pay a set amount along with the armor.

This way, the basic way insignias work is still very much present and active. I realize these are not new ideas, but I think the combination of them is new. I also think this should be fairly easy to implement, then again, I'm not a dev.

Ilustrado · Nov 09, 2006, 04:45 PM // 16:45

/signed

Canthan armor scheme works best imo

Moa Bird Cultist · Nov 09, 2006, 05:09 PM // 17:09

Why are radiant insignias going up in price despite more and more of them dropping? The answer is simple: The supply simply cannot meet the demand. Radiant, being a cross class insignia, is the most popular insignia for every class, ergo, the number dropping would have to be 10x that of every other type for the price to stabilize. The same goes for all the other cross-class insignias - they are all in much higher demand than single class insignias, (with a few exceptions,) which leads to inflated prices.

Dougal Kronik · Nov 09, 2006, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Keep the three campaigns armor systems separate and unique to that continent.

And let the market dictate the prices. It's some way for newer players to get some extra gold in their coffers.

Apple · Nov 09, 2006, 07:59 PM // 19:59

for god's sake, what is WRONG with you people? It's less than 5k! Who cares!

Solar Light · Nov 09, 2006, 08:22 PM // 20:22

the fact that radiant insinga costs more then making 1.5 or 1k armor?

and thats its unbalanced compared to the previous chapters?

Sure, core and factions proffs can go to kaineng for armor, but paragons and dervishes get stuck with worrying about insinga

although, my paragon could care less about radiant since leadership is the best E-management in GW, but I cant tell you how much my dervish could use a bit of a boost from radiants in order to play better, and kaineng does not give us that

another fun fact, Modless armor from the first two chapters is cheaper then 1k, the only bonus the elona armors give is that we can mod it.